tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4602866399420215362.post6992469153440555665..comments2023-03-25T08:58:02.047-04:00Comments on Confessions of a Starship Politician: An Open Reply to Susan BlackMadOverlordhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01204905457718170827noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4602866399420215362.post-5781012289919344942012-03-16T18:00:35.843-04:002012-03-16T18:00:35.843-04:00Was it spam? Yup. Was it bad spam. Nope. Unsol...Was it spam? Yup. Was it bad spam. Nope. Unsolicited evemail from someone that I don't know? yup. did it ruin my day or annoy me? nope.<br /><br />Do I despise being contacted by politicians at home? yup.<br /><br />So. I was surprised at getting the EVEmail. I am surprised that such a thing is condoned by CCP. However, I am eternally grateful that all candidates did not similarly send EVE-mails.<br /><br />I would like to see a flag assigned to each character, a toggle to receive CSM mailing.<br /><br />I just really really really don't want to get to the point where any character in EVE can broadcast eve-mail that widely. The idea of getting "support candidate X" from mail from each of the 2000 candidate x supporters would drive me out of my nut.Knug Lidihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08168621175894976018noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4602866399420215362.post-59478619401941862042012-03-12T20:15:56.492-04:002012-03-12T20:15:56.492-04:00I know! You should be ashamed of yourself! :)I know! You should be ashamed of yourself! :)MadOverlordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01204905457718170827noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4602866399420215362.post-88434451543109821812012-03-12T19:22:05.773-04:002012-03-12T19:22:05.773-04:00During your CSM6 campaign, I was one of your "...During your CSM6 campaign, I was one of your "spam" recipients. I hadn't planned on voting in the CSM elections because I didn't think I knew nearly enough about the game or its facets to make a "truly educated" vote.<br />Your email was educational about what the CSM does, how it works, and why it's important. I figured any dude who gave two fucks enough to actually sit down and fire off an email like that to random people he probably saw in local, gave two fucks enough about the game to serve on the CSM.<br />So I got off my ass and voted for ya.<br /><br />This year, I didn't get such an email :tears: ... but I still voted for your big dumb ass anyways. lol.<br /><br />The thing I find really sad and ironic is that all the people who're bitching at you about a short EVEMail, are probably the same people who saw the Kony vid, hit "like" and "share" on Facebook, tweeted it, and commented in Reddit about it.<br />OR they're the people who saw people "liking" and "sharing" it left and right, and fired off a nasty tweet/FB message/etc about "spamming up my page" right before un-friending/un-following the "offensive" party.<br />*rolling eyes*<br /><br />Wait, how dare we post unsolicited comments to your blog, anyhow?Hong WeiLohhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14702284760088727892noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4602866399420215362.post-86673140172448888282012-03-12T13:39:05.823-04:002012-03-12T13:39:05.823-04:00If spam emails were a problem in Eve, then I'd...If spam emails were a problem in Eve, then I'd be pissed at Trebor for contributing to the problem. But they're not. I got an unsolicited email, scanned it for a few seconds, and deleted it. Much worse happens to me daily in Eve.Gernhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12358332264347410489noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4602866399420215362.post-58004750399255733192012-03-11T13:44:45.292-04:002012-03-11T13:44:45.292-04:00[quote]
First, Susan seems to think any unsolicite...[quote]<br />First, Susan seems to think any unsolicited email is spam.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />Yes, that is the definition of spam. Unsolicited email.<br />You Sir remind me of a Chinese Gold farmer we once banned for spamming in our forums. His reply? "It is not spam, it is my business".Trebron Zniehhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11539481050781863223noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4602866399420215362.post-20617265125599147062012-03-11T11:37:42.519-04:002012-03-11T11:37:42.519-04:00Screw em, it's an election season, if hitting ...Screw em, it's an election season, if hitting the "trash" button is too hard, how the hell did they get to flying internet spaceships?Deth Delkanarahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02198174634251803811noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4602866399420215362.post-50166784093945210872012-03-11T09:39:51.280-04:002012-03-11T09:39:51.280-04:00And I'm the same age as Robert, so there ya go...And I'm the same age as Robert, so there ya go. They didn't even HAVE the Internet when I was growing up.Carole Pivarnikhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06787775846290065794noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4602866399420215362.post-45250850968840360612012-03-11T07:42:28.752-04:002012-03-11T07:42:28.752-04:00Actually, I wrote one of the first spam filters.Actually, I wrote one of the first spam filters.MadOverlordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01204905457718170827noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4602866399420215362.post-14347136285123931142012-03-11T03:21:24.373-04:002012-03-11T03:21:24.373-04:00Let me guess -- you grew up after decent spam filt...Let me guess -- you grew up after decent spam filters had been invented.<br /><br />I expect lies, dirty politics, and general unpleasantness during ~campaign season~, but there is a line between what is acceptable and what isn't. Spamming half of eve is so far across that line that even mittens can't see it from where he's standing. Trebor has placed himself squarely among the very worst class of person on the internet.<br /><br />As far as I can tell he does good work as a CSM, but this shit is uncalled for.Parasojahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10037396025518894441noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4602866399420215362.post-35454380206939101402012-03-10T20:47:03.448-05:002012-03-10T20:47:03.448-05:00Why would blocking a CSM candidate be disappointin...Why would blocking a CSM candidate be disappointing if you don't want to receive their messages? Am I missing something here? Your reaction to a simple, one-time evemail seems kinda over the top..."asshole"? "strongest argument for 'vote against'"? Really? Seems more like the mass evemail is just a convenient focal point for your pre-existing dislike of Trebor.Carole Pivarnikhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06787775846290065794noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4602866399420215362.post-50113434434284344412012-03-10T17:50:33.178-05:002012-03-10T17:50:33.178-05:00I'm not claiming that I was being altruistic. ...I'm not claiming that I was being altruistic. I'm just saying that it was a nice side-effect. Anyone who was not intending to vote but was spurred to vote by the evemail (but not for me), is either going to vote for The Mittani (because he's famous; those votes don't hurt me) or for a serious candidate who is actively campaigning (most of whom I'd be happy to see elected).<br /><br />With regard to your suggestion, I think it would make it too easy for lazy candidates to get their message out. They should have to suffer like I did. :)MadOverlordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01204905457718170827noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4602866399420215362.post-73195237484798876202012-03-10T17:46:33.701-05:002012-03-10T17:46:33.701-05:00Just because you're allowed to do something do...Just because you're allowed to do something doesn't mean that doing it doesn't make you an asshole. Having to put a CSM member on block list is extremely disappointing; you have become the single strongest argument for the implementation of a 'vote against' feature.Parasojahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10037396025518894441noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4602866399420215362.post-24758409708813080172012-03-10T17:27:33.831-05:002012-03-10T17:27:33.831-05:00I also don't buy your magnanimous argument, th...I also don't buy your magnanimous argument, that a vote not cast for you is likely cast for someone you support. The EVEMail was designed purely to get you elected, not simply to get people to vote.<br /><br />That's reasoning after the fact, to calm down the shitstorm around the Mass EVEMail drama.<br /><br />That aside. I do applaud your EVEMail campaign and the amount of work that must have went into to harvesting all those player names, not too mention actually EVEMailing them afterwards (a lot of copy-paste, I assume, unless you automated it.)<br /><br />For future CSMs, I would support CCP giving all CSM candidates functionality to perform a one-time EVEMail to every account holder to get their message out to the masses.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4602866399420215362.post-25496802824838856282012-03-10T17:21:48.763-05:002012-03-10T17:21:48.763-05:00True. But there's no way to accurately predict...True. But there's no way to accurately predict what portion of those votes you will get, and whether the votes that do get cast are spread evenly among all other candidates. Would be nice if CCP would eventually post stats that showed voting per day or hour, so that after the election we could see the effect of your campaign. They'll never release that information, though.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4602866399420215362.post-6474848089278711582012-03-10T17:10:02.816-05:002012-03-10T17:10:02.816-05:00That depends on what fraction of those new votes I...That depends on what fraction of those new votes I get, and how much of the original voting pool I manage to shift to voting to me. Given that the election has 14 winning slots, and that new votes that I do not get will tend to get distributed over many competing candidates, I only have to capture a relatively small percentage of the additional voting pool in order to gain a net benefit.<br /><br />Or if you look at it another way, right now Jester has me coming in 8th. Let's assume he is right. In this case, I just need to get more of the new votes than the guy in 7th place to close the gap (and hopefully more than the guy in 9th place so that he doesn't close the gap on me.MadOverlordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01204905457718170827noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4602866399420215362.post-35444813573677626492012-03-10T16:57:52.750-05:002012-03-10T16:57:52.750-05:00Total voting pool might be increased, but that mak...Total voting pool might be increased, but that makes your goal of getting elected even harder, since you have more votes to compete with, which makes the votes you do have worth less overall.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4602866399420215362.post-86978240078935608362012-03-10T16:50:19.334-05:002012-03-10T16:50:19.334-05:00I like Susan and her blog very much--she is an wel...I like Susan and her blog very much--she is an well-spoken, smart person who expresses and defends her opinions with clarity and style. But at the end of the day, I think people are making a mountain out of a molehill with this particular issue.<br /><br />I was happy to help you with both the original email and this response to Susan. I should observe that I am no fan of spamming people and that we talked at some length about your approach to sending this email as well as the message it contained. <br /><br />In my view, a single political message from a candidate--regardless of how many characters that message is sent to or what publicly available methods were used to identify recipients--does not qualify as spam. To me, spamming is the act of repeatedly sending messages that are of no interest to me. Given that, I felt perfectly comfortable offering editorial advice. If I had disagreed with your approach in any way, I would have said so and refused to help. <br /><br />Incidentally, I noticed some people on the forums qualifying your message as spam because they got it on multiple characters. That does not correlate since there is no way for you to know whether one or multiple players owns those characters. <br /><br />Beyond that, anyone who was offended by the CSM mailing you did last year should have assumed you'd do the same this year and could have simply blocked you in advance of any potential election emails from you this time around if it was such a big deal. This is no different from blocking any other character in-game who sends unwanted messages, whether they do it once or many times. <br /><br />Also, CCP should amend the CSM White Paper or CSM Summary to include a non-ambiguous policy about political mass emails. Those documents and others that provide information about the CSM probably need updating anyway to reflect the changed structure of the council and policy about who goes to Iceland.Carole Pivarnikhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06787775846290065794noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4602866399420215362.post-10430162107428338352012-03-10T16:44:03.491-05:002012-03-10T16:44:03.491-05:00The people who decided not to vote for me almost c...The people who decided not to vote for me almost certainly voted for someone else -- and very likely candidates that I have supported. As long as the number of people who hadn't planned to vote but were induced to is greater than the number of people who had planned to vote but decided not to, then the total voting pool is increased.MadOverlordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01204905457718170827noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4602866399420215362.post-34216597070599155062012-03-10T16:31:57.291-05:002012-03-10T16:31:57.291-05:00I have no problem with what you did ... but I don&...I have no problem with what you did ... but I don't entirely agree with Jester's proposition that the mass evemail was a pareto effect. There are those people who may have been about ready to vote for you who did not once they received the mass evemail. There may have been people last year who voted for you, but who did not this year because of the mass evemail you sent during the CSM6 campaign. Jester assumes that there is no negative backwash from there mass evemail campaign on to you ... I believe there probably was and is (although probably minor compared to the benefit to yourself overall.)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4602866399420215362.post-79768186735006320132012-03-10T16:20:23.808-05:002012-03-10T16:20:23.808-05:00Well...I can't say I don't applaud your ho...Well...I can't say I don't applaud your honesty, and that you are sincere in feeling the need for this is also beyond question to me, but...meh.<br /><br />Politics is just icky, isn't it: <br /><br />Damned if you do, damned if you don't :(MidianLordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05257746687394274942noreply@blogger.com